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2  Beasts  of  Revelation ? 
...The  Book  of  Revelation  warns  us  that  in  the  last  days
two  Beasts   shall  arise,  one  from  the  Sea  and  one  from
the  Earth  according  to  the  Prophecies  of  the  Book  of
Revelation  one  of  these  Beasts   will  be  represented   by
a  POLITICAL  figure  &  the other one by a RELIGIOUS figure.
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...To  students  of  Bible  Prophecy  the  first  Beast  that  comes
out of  the  Sea  is interpreted to  be an "International  Alliance"
of  sorts   headed   by  the  Ten  Horns/ 10 Kings  &  the  Beast
that  arises  from  the  earth  is  definitively  an  International
religious  leader   who  holds  sway  over   millions  of  followers
because
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...There  are  various interpretations of  who these two Beasts
will  be...Some  top  Bible Prophecy teachers believe  that  the
second  Beast =The  False  Prophet  will  be a Super  Jewish
Rabbi, others  believe  it  will  be  an  Islamic   Relgious  leader
and  yet  others  believe  that  it will  be none other  than  the
Roman Catholic Pope.
***************************************************
...To  be  continued...

Sarkozy attacked over Pope’s welcome

09-12-08

President Nicolas Sarkozy was accused on Friday of transgressing France’s secular constitution after rolling out the red carpet for the Pope and calling for greater acceptance of religion.

As he welcomed Benedict XVI to France at the beginning of a four-day visit, Mr Sarkozy said: “Rejecting a dialogue with religion would be a cultural and intellectual error”.

He also set out his concept of a “positive secularism that debates, respects and includes, not a secularism that rejects”.

France has been a staunchly secular state since an anti-clerical government passed a law in 1905 disestablishing the Roman Catholic church and banning the use of public money for religious purposes.

“Secularism implies that religion is a private matter, in a state that respects freedom to worship,” said Julien Dray, a Socialist party spokesman. “Those responsible for governing the republic, above all the president, must act as guardians of these principles.”

In recent years, it is members of France’s 5m strong community of Muslims rather than its dwindling population of church-going Catholics who have brought into question the strict separation of religion and the state, as in the dispute over a ban on headscarves in schools.

Now it is the president who has broken political taboos by suggesting that religion should play a bigger role in the public sphere.

In December last year he enraged secularists when he said schoolteachers could not fully replace parish priests for instilling moral values and eternal truths. The primary schoolteacher was traditionally regarded as the bulwark against the power of the church.

Even his decision to greet the pontiff in person at the airport on Friday has raised eyebrows.

Son of a Hungarian immigrant and with Jewish ancestry, Mr Sarkozy often describes himself as a non-practising Catholic, a declaration his predecessors would not have made, even though they may have been more devout than this two-times divorcee.

Although Mr Sarkozy’s stance may help solidify his support among traditional Catholic centre-right voters, it also stems from a long-standing curiosity about the role of religion in modern political life.

“Positive secularism” in practice meant “the search for meaning and the respect for beliefs”, he said on Friday.

The president’s views were echoed by the Pope, prompting criticism from Jean-Luc Mélenchon, a leftwing senator and staunch secularist.

The French appear largely indifferent to the Pope’s visit. An Opinionway survey published on Friday found 62 per cent regarded it as a matter of importance for Catholics rather than for the French

 

 

Pope backs Sarkozy’s bid

for religious values

09-13-08

Pope Benedict and President Nicolas Sarkozy urged France yesterday to reconsider its strict separation of church and state and to allow religious "values" to influence public life.

 

M. Sarkozy and Pope Benedict XVI, at the start of his first visit to France, made speeches which were intended to calm – but may inflame – debate over the French "secular" tradition.

Pope Benedict called for a more "open" approach to secular government, which would accept the Christian "roots" of French society.

M. Sarkozy repeated a controversial call for a "positive secularism" which would allow religious – not just Christian – values to influence public life.

However, both men stressed their comments were intended to embrace and not divide France's multi-religious society.

Pope Benedict is controversial in France. His efforts to rehabilitate a French Catholic movement which split with Rome in the 1980s have exasperated a mainstream church struggling to maintain Catholicism as a force in French life. Fewer than 5 per cent of people go to Mass but 70 per cent identify as Catholic.

More than 200,000 mainly young people are expected to attend an open-air Mass which the Pope will celebrate in Paris today. Tomorrow, he will travel to Lourdes to mark the 150th anniversary of the apparitions of the Virgin Mary.

M. Sarkozy and his wife, Carla Bruni-Sarkozy, met the Pope at Orly airport.

The President – although not a regularly practising Catholic and twice divorced – generated heated debate in December when he suggested that religious, especially Catholic values, should be part of political life. Since 1905, France has maintained a strict separation of church and state.

The Pope took up the theme in two speeches – at the Elysée Palace and before 700 intellectuals representing all religions and non-religion. A distinction between politics and religion was "fundamentally important" to guarantee freedom of worship, he said, but called for a more "open" approach to secularism.

Religion had an "irreplaceable role in the formation of the human conscience" and ethics.

François Bayrou, the centrist candidate in last year's presidential election, refused an invitation to the Pope's reception at the Elysée Palace, saying that the Pope should not have been treated like a political leader and invited to the home of the head of the French secular state.

 

Pope, Sarkozy emphasize revamp of

church-state

LOURDES, France - Pope Benedict XVI urged France on Friday to move towards a model of secularism that acknowledges the "irreplaceable" role of religion in building an ethical consensus in one of the world's most secular societies.

Benedict, who is in Paris Friday and will arrive in Lourdes - site of a major shrine devoted to the Virgin Mary - on Saturday, stressed it is fundamental to recognize church-state separation to ensure both religious freedom and the responsibility of governments towards their citizens.

But he also seized on President Nicolas Sarkozy's unprecedented openness to a more assertive church, or "positive secularism" as Sarkozy calls it, in French society.

France established its model of secularism - called laicite - with a strict law imposed in 1905 that prohibited all state-sanctioned or state-funded religion.

"At this moment in history when cultures continue to cross paths more frequently, I am firmly convinced that a new reflection on the true meaning and importance of laicite is now necessary," Benedict said in a speech at the Elysee Palace after meeting with Sarkozy.

"In fact, it is fundamental to become more aware of the irreplaceable role of religion for the formation of consciences and the contribution which it can bring to - among other things - the creation of a basic ethical consensus within society."

Sarkozy, who spoke before the Pope, said it would be "madness" for France, which "accepts its Christian roots," to "deprive ourselves" of religion.

It is "legitimate for democracy and respectful of secularism to have a dialogue with religions," he said.

Analysts say French Catholics, with the lowest church attendance rate in Europe, feel threatened by the growing number of Muslim immigrants and might therefore be more open to greater recognition of the Catholic church's role in French culture and history.

Benedict, who is facing inevitable comparisons to his far more charismatic predecessor John Paul II, read his speech in fluent French while rarely moving his gaze from the text.

After his speech the twice-divorced Sarkozy, flanked by ex-supermodel wife Carla Bruni, introduced the Pope to key French political leaders in the audience.

Benedict appeared to make a veiled reference to the Russia-Georgia conflict, fear of a new Cold War, and Sarkozy's role, as the current president of the European Union, in convincing Russia to honour its withdrawal commitments.

"As we face the danger of a resurgence of old suspicions, tensions and conflicts among nations, which we are troubled to witness today, France, which historically has been sensitive to reconciliation between peoples, is called to help Europe build up peace within her borders and throughout the world."

He stressed his longstanding message since assuming the papacy in 2005 that France, like Europe, is rooted in Christianity.

Benedict also subtly restated the church's longstanding opposition to abortion and euthanasia when he spoke of the "inalienable" human rights of people "from conception to natural death

 

Pope, Sarkozy emphasize revamp of

church-state

LOURDES, France - Pope Benedict XVI urged France on Friday to move towards a model of secularism that acknowledges the "irreplaceable" role of religion in building an ethical consensus in one of the world's most secular societies.

Benedict, who is in Paris Friday and will arrive in Lourdes - site of a major shrine devoted to the Virgin Mary - on Saturday, stressed it is fundamental to recognize church-state separation to ensure both religious freedom and the responsibility of governments towards their citizens.

But he also seized on President Nicolas Sarkozy's unprecedented openness to a more assertive church, or "positive secularism" as Sarkozy calls it, in French society.

France established its model of secularism - called laicite - with a strict law imposed in 1905 that prohibited all state-sanctioned or state-funded religion.

"At this moment in history when cultures continue to cross paths more frequently, I am firmly convinced that a new reflection on the true meaning and importance of laicite is now necessary," Benedict said in a speech at the Elysee Palace after meeting with Sarkozy.

"In fact, it is fundamental to become more aware of the irreplaceable role of religion for the formation of consciences and the contribution which it can bring to - among other things - the creation of a basic ethical consensus within society."

Sarkozy, who spoke before the Pope, said it would be "madness" for France, which "accepts its Christian roots," to "deprive ourselves" of religion.

It is "legitimate for democracy and respectful of secularism to have a dialogue with religions," he said.

Analysts say French Catholics, with the lowest church attendance rate in Europe, feel threatened by the growing number of Muslim immigrants and might therefore be more open to greater recognition of the Catholic church's role in French culture and history.

Benedict, who is facing inevitable comparisons to his far more charismatic predecessor John Paul II, read his speech in fluent French while rarely moving his gaze from the text.

After his speech the twice-divorced Sarkozy, flanked by ex-supermodel wife Carla Bruni, introduced the Pope to key French political leaders in the audience.

Benedict appeared to make a veiled reference to the Russia-Georgia conflict, fear of a new Cold War, and Sarkozy's role, as the current president of the European Union, in convincing Russia to honour its withdrawal commitments.

"As we face the danger of a resurgence of old suspicions, tensions and conflicts among nations, which we are troubled to witness today, France, which historically has been sensitive to reconciliation between peoples, is called to help Europe build up peace within her borders and throughout the world."

He stressed his longstanding message since assuming the papacy in 2005 that France, like Europe, is rooted in Christianity.

Benedict also subtly restated the church's longstanding opposition to abortion and euthanasia when he spoke of the "inalienable" human rights of people "from conception to natural death

 

Pope, Sarkozy emphasize revamp of

church-state

LOURDES, France - Pope Benedict XVI urged France on Friday to move towards a model of secularism that acknowledges the "irreplaceable" role of religion in building an ethical consensus in one of the world's most secular societies.

Benedict, who is in Paris Friday and will arrive in Lourdes - site of a major shrine devoted to the Virgin Mary - on Saturday, stressed it is fundamental to recognize church-state separation to ensure both religious freedom and the responsibility of governments towards their citizens.

But he also seized on President Nicolas Sarkozy's unprecedented openness to a more assertive church, or "positive secularism" as Sarkozy calls it, in French society.

France established its model of secularism - called laicite - with a strict law imposed in 1905 that prohibited all state-sanctioned or state-funded religion.

"At this moment in history when cultures continue to cross paths more frequently, I am firmly convinced that a new reflection on the true meaning and importance of laicite is now necessary," Benedict said in a speech at the Elysee Palace after meeting with Sarkozy.

"In fact, it is fundamental to become more aware of the irreplaceable role of religion for the formation of consciences and the contribution which it can bring to - among other things - the creation of a basic ethical consensus within society."

Sarkozy, who spoke before the Pope, said it would be "madness" for France, which "accepts its Christian roots," to "deprive ourselves" of religion.

It is "legitimate for democracy and respectful of secularism to have a dialogue with religions," he said.

Analysts say French Catholics, with the lowest church attendance rate in Europe, feel threatened by the growing number of Muslim immigrants and might therefore be more open to greater recognition of the Catholic church's role in French culture and history.

Benedict, who is facing inevitable comparisons to his far more charismatic predecessor John Paul II, read his speech in fluent French while rarely moving his gaze from the text.

After his speech the twice-divorced Sarkozy, flanked by ex-supermodel wife Carla Bruni, introduced the Pope to key French political leaders in the audience.

Benedict appeared to make a veiled reference to the Russia-Georgia conflict, fear of a new Cold War, and Sarkozy's role, as the current president of the European Union, in convincing Russia to honour its withdrawal commitments.

"As we face the danger of a resurgence of old suspicions, tensions and conflicts among nations, which we are troubled to witness today, France, which historically has been sensitive to reconciliation between peoples, is called to help Europe build up peace within her borders and throughout the world."

He stressed his longstanding message since assuming the papacy in 2005 that France, like Europe, is rooted in Christianity.

Benedict also subtly restated the church's longstanding opposition to abortion and euthanasia when he spoke of the "inalienable" human rights of people "from conception to natural death

 

 Keep Christian heritage, Pope urges

 

September 13, 2008

Pope Benedict yesterday urged Europe not to sweep aside its Christian heritage, saying the search for God should be as much a part of the foundation of the continent's culture today as it was in centuries past.

The 81-year-old Benedict made his appeal at the start of his first visit as pontiff to France, where he stressed that "laicite", the separation of church and state enshrined in its constitution, could never be threatened by religion.

Europe, he said, would be spiritually defeated if it convinced itself that God had no role in modern life.

"To seek God and to let oneself be found by him -- that is today no less necessary than in former times," he said in a long address to intellectuals and artists.

"What gave Europe's culture its foundation -- the search for God and the readiness to listen to him -- remains today the basis of any genuine culture," he said in fluent French.

Forgetting this would be unreasonable and raise the risk that Europe could fall prey to the two extremes of "subjective arbitrariness and fundamentalist fanaticism," he declared.

Members of France's Muslim community attended the lecture and were introduced to Benedict after he finished. The Pope had earlier met Jewish leaders, who could not attend the evening lecture because of the start of the Sabbath.

The German Pope made similar comments about religion aboard the plane taking him to Paris and in an address to President Nicolas Sarkozy, who has broken a political taboo by speaking openly and positively about the role of religion in society.

"It is fundamental, on the one hand, to insist on the distinction between the political realm and that of religion," Benedict said in his speech at the president's Elysee Palace.

It was necessary, he added, "to become more aware of the irreplaceable role of religion for the formation of consciences (and) the creation of a basic ethical consensus within society."

Bells rang out across Paris to greet the Pope as he arrived at the Elysee but there were none of the huge crowds that welcomed his predecessor John Paul on his eight trips to France, which are credited with sparking a rebirth in Catholic identity.

Traditionally, Catholic France maintains a strict separation of church and state. The French church struggles with a shortage of priests and Sunday mass attendance is below 10 per cent.

But religion has re-emerged as a factor in public life in recent years, especially because of the growth of Islam, and French Catholics have increasingly spoken out on social issues. In his speech to the Pope Sarkozy said it would be "folly" for France to ignore its long history of Christian thought.

 

 

 

 

 

Pope backs bigger role for religion

Paris 09-13-08

PARIS - Pope Benedict XVI encouraged a greater role for religion in European society but cautioned against fundamentalist fanaticism as he met Friday with political, Jewish and Muslim leaders in his first papal visit to France. In separate remarks to French President Nicolas Sarkozy, Benedict also called for more attention to the role of faith in shaping consciences and forging "a basic ethical consensus within society." France is proud of its secular division between church and state, and some proponents of that stance were angered by the pope's remarks on the opening day of a four-day pilgrimage. But others - including Muslim and Jewish figures in Paris - expressed appreciation that he reached out to them. Benedict also expressed concern over human rights ranging from "conception to natural death" - Vatican phrasing for abortion and euthanasia. Several Muslim leaders were among the 600 or so people invited to hear the pope speak about Europe and culture during an evening appearance at a former monastery where monks in medieval times sought to keep learning alive on the continent. France's population of Jews and Muslims is the largest in Western Europe. The pope flies Saturday to Lourdes, the religious shrine in southern France that draws millions of pilgrims annually, many of them hoping for miraculous cures.

 

September 13, 2008

Pope Benedict yesterday urged Europe not to sweep aside its Christian heritage, saying the search for God should be as much a part of the foundation of the continent's culture today as it was in centuries past.

The 81-year-old Benedict made his appeal at the start of his first visit as pontiff to France, where he stressed that "laicite", the separation of church and state enshrined in its constitution, could never be threatened by religion.

Europe, he said, would be spiritually defeated if it convinced itself that God had no role in modern life.

"To seek God and to let oneself be found by him -- that is today no less necessary than in former times," he said in a long address to intellectuals and artists.

"What gave Europe's culture its foundation -- the search for God and the readiness to listen to him -- remains today the basis of any genuine culture," he said in fluent French.

Forgetting this would be unreasonable and raise the risk that Europe could fall prey to the two extremes of "subjective arbitrariness and fundamentalist fanaticism," he declared.

Members of France's Muslim community attended the lecture and were introduced to Benedict after he finished. The Pope had earlier met Jewish leaders, who could not attend the evening lecture because of the start of the Sabbath.

The German Pope made similar comments about religion aboard the plane taking him to Paris and in an address to President Nicolas Sarkozy, who has broken a political taboo by speaking openly and positively about the role of religion in society.

"It is fundamental, on the one hand, to insist on the distinction between the political realm and that of religion," Benedict said in his speech at the president's Elysee Palace.

It was necessary, he added, "to become more aware of the irreplaceable role of religion for the formation of consciences (and) the creation of a basic ethical consensus within society."

Bells rang out across Paris to greet the Pope as he arrived at the Elysee but there were none of the huge crowds that welcomed his predecessor John Paul on his eight trips to France, which are credited with sparking a rebirth in Catholic identity.

Traditionally, Catholic France maintains a strict separation of church and state. The French church struggles with a shortage of priests and Sunday mass attendance is below 10 per cent.

But religion has re-emerged as a factor in public life in recent years, especially because of the growth of Islam, and French Catholics have increasingly spoken out on social issues. In his speech to the Pope Sarkozy said it would be "folly" for France to ignore its long history of Christian thought.

 

 

 

 

 

Pope backs bigger role for religion

Paris 09-13-08

PARIS - Pope Benedict XVI encouraged a greater role for religion in European society but cautioned against fundamentalist fanaticism as he met Friday with political, Jewish and Muslim leaders in his first papal visit to France. In separate remarks to French President Nicolas Sarkozy, Benedict also called for more attention to the role of faith in shaping consciences and forging "a basic ethical consensus within society." France is proud of its secular division between church and state, and some proponents of that stance were angered by the pope's remarks on the opening day of a four-day pilgrimage. But others - including Muslim and Jewish figures in Paris - expressed appreciation that he reached out to them. Benedict also expressed concern over human rights ranging from "conception to natural death" - Vatican phrasing for abortion and euthanasia. Several Muslim leaders were among the 600 or so people invited to hear the pope speak about Europe and culture during an evening appearance at a former monastery where monks in medieval times sought to keep learning alive on the continent. France's population of Jews and Muslims is the largest in Western Europe. The pope flies Saturday to Lourdes, the religious shrine in southern France that draws millions of pilgrims annually, many of them hoping for miraculous cures.

 

September 13, 2008

Pope Benedict yesterday urged Europe not to sweep aside its Christian heritage, saying the search for God should be as much a part of the foundation of the continent's culture today as it was in centuries past.

The 81-year-old Benedict made his appeal at the start of his first visit as pontiff to France, where he stressed that "laicite", the separation of church and state enshrined in its constitution, could never be threatened by religion.

Europe, he said, would be spiritually defeated if it convinced itself that God had no role in modern life.

"To seek God and to let oneself be found by him -- that is today no less necessary than in former times," he said in a long address to intellectuals and artists.

"What gave Europe's culture its foundation -- the search for God and the readiness to listen to him -- remains today the basis of any genuine culture," he said in fluent French.

Forgetting this would be unreasonable and raise the risk that Europe could fall prey to the two extremes of "subjective arbitrariness and fundamentalist fanaticism," he declared.

Members of France's Muslim community attended the lecture and were introduced to Benedict after he finished. The Pope had earlier met Jewish leaders, who could not attend the evening lecture because of the start of the Sabbath.

The German Pope made similar comments about religion aboard the plane taking him to Paris and in an address to President Nicolas Sarkozy, who has broken a political taboo by speaking openly and positively about the role of religion in society.

"It is fundamental, on the one hand, to insist on the distinction between the political realm and that of religion," Benedict said in his speech at the president's Elysee Palace.

It was necessary, he added, "to become more aware of the irreplaceable role of religion for the formation of consciences (and) the creation of a basic ethical consensus within society."

Bells rang out across Paris to greet the Pope as he arrived at the Elysee but there were none of the huge crowds that welcomed his predecessor John Paul on his eight trips to France, which are credited with sparking a rebirth in Catholic identity.

Traditionally, Catholic France maintains a strict separation of church and state. The French church struggles with a shortage of priests and Sunday mass attendance is below 10 per cent.

But religion has re-emerged as a factor in public life in recent years, especially because of the growth of Islam, and French Catholics have increasingly spoken out on social issues. In his speech to the Pope Sarkozy said it would be "folly" for France to ignore its long history of Christian thought.

 

 

 

 

 

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